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whatever, goucher is better than the seven people that are complaining anyway. i don't know why you guys have to be such bitc*** about it. but goucher is in, and i'm happy. i don't care what place he finishes, he will be under 28:00. you guys keep whinin for the people that suck and can't run fast. goucher's done more for the sport than any no name has. you guys suck.
yo harry...dog...rupp and rhotinski used the 5k as a warm up...hence the comment about the salazar camp making a shady move. chill the hell out. goucher is old news. he doesn't even deserve to be in the trials.
goucher sucks.... and boy galen and josh should really feel like because they cost two guys a chance in the final... goucher is old sauce... 7 people better than you is alot, it is really unfair, i dont care how good you used to be.
"i believe goucher would have pushed a solid pace and finished in 13:20. i'm sure lagat would have been there to steal the show, but goucher would have had it.. tegenkamp would have been dead,"
I forget who owns the AR 2 mile..and what is Teg's 5k PR? You are speaking about a topic in which you have no real knowledge on.
And what is this chatter about 52 anything? Stop typing home boy
1) Two of Salazar's other runners used the prelim as a workout and in doing so cost people a spot in the final. That's what I call a move.
2) Who in their right mind would run the first lap in 52 or sprint the first 600 in a 5,000 meter race? I do have some clue about how the body works and how races are run.
3) Prefontaine was upset by unethical practices in athletics, hence my snide remark.
He needed the A standard to get to Bejing. The 5k was the only race he was legitimately qualified for. Therefore, if he wanted to legitimately earn his ticket to Bejing he should have put it all on the line. He didn't.
Now, despite being unable to fulfill the longstanding entry requisites, he is being admitted to a prestigious race - for which others were more qualified. You can reference [his racing] history all you want, but those are the facts. Letting him run but not the others is hypocrisy, homey.
Hence my disgust.
everyone says.. why didn't he just go out in 4:16.. 8:32 ?? because you can't if no one else wants to go that pace. you can't do that like you could in the old days. people are better. smarter. pre ran smart races. he didn't go out in 52 his first lap of a 5,000 did he? even a mile for that matter? and he could run about 50.5 for 400. so what do you say when prefontaine goes out in a 5k race 14 seconds off his best 400m time? chicken-sh*t?
hey dumb-a**, he wasn't using the 5k as a workout. do you know what its like to lead from 70 meters? you can't.. a field of that quality will reel you the f*** in and smoke ur ass in the last 600m, lagat, teg, and bolota would have went right around him with 400 to go. you're an idiot... pre's attitude wasn't as brash as everyone thinks he was.??? you know what happens to front runners and people who sprint the first 600m?? they go into oxygen debt in a race that wasn't meant for oxygen debt and they die, and they run slower than they could. goucher was in a very tough position. if that pace had been 8:45 instead of 8:55 i believe goucher would have pushed a solid pace and finished in 13:20. i'm sure lagat would have been there to steal the show, but goucher would have had it.. tegenkamp would have been dead, and bolota, a smarter and more seasoned runner would have been 3rd. this is how it would have turned out.. this is what should have happend, but no... the field decided to go 4:35 the 2nd mile and pu**y fart around. once again this isn't goucher's fault because you just have to go with the crowd in a field of that quality. hmmmm what do you say to kenenesia bekele who at the 2003 world championships went out very hard and got realed in by El Guerrouj???? huh.. what do you say to the best 5k runner on the planet? goucher is my homeboy
This has been a fiasco. The Salazar camp has disgraced the spirit of the trials by treating races as work outs or allowing their connections to fix races and begs the question - Is Pre rolling in his grave? Goucher wanted the A standard in the 5k? Then why didn't he go after it? If he is as tough as everyone claims he should have gotten it.
Everyone has known 2008 was an Olympic year. Everyone has known for sometime the trials were going be held this week in Eugene. Qualification standards have been similarly publicized. His inability to complete the known procedures during an Olympic year should not be taken lightly.
I'm pretty sick of Adam Goucher. Yeah, I know he's had some rough years - but his arrogant attitude has been more relentless than his tenacity on the track. You'd think he would have learned some humility and respect for his fellow competitors. I wonder if he'll drop out of the 10k with 2 laps to go.
OK all...go over to ***ugh*** Runner's World's website and find Amby Burfoot's blog. He talked to Jill Geer at USATF. She informed Burfoot that Goucher had appealed to get entry into the 10k well before the 5k ever was contested. THEREFORE, I personally see no harm in him stepping off the track and saving it for the 10k. And I dont necessarily see any harm in USATF allowing this either (although that could also be discussed ad nauseum). Now, the question is: Is Jill Geer telling the truth? Did Goucher KNOW with every certainty that he was ALREADY in the 10k when he stepped off the track. This interview seems to indicated that he did know that. Anyway, i just thought you should all know that. And well...if it's true...I kinda have to take back my comment below about hoping he does not make the team. I'm torn.
I agree that once Goucher is in the race have can get the standard, no doubt about that. The issue that is being pressed here is the lack of the USATF enforcing its own rules. That actually is a problem. And anyone who makes it to the finals of any Olympic Trials event "deserves" it, not just certain people. This has happened before with letting people in without proper ptotocol and there needs to be less ambiguity. If USATF is going to do this in the future, then they need to change their rules. Now we have lawyers getting involved and I don't know if that is absolutely necessary, it would be better if a meeting of the minds could take place and walk through this process and come to some terms of agreement. No one might win outright, but at least something could be agreed upon, because while I really like Goucher and this is not his doing, he is not in the wrong here, he just runs, it's the lack of clarity on the part of the head honchos that needs to be dealt with.
goucher will get the standard in this race. he wants the olympics, and thats what its about here. i think he'll go after it harder than any of the others. he's went 27:59 just to let you all know, and he has won the 12,000m cross country title before. so what if its his name getting him in. he'll put on a good show. he deserves this more than any of the no names out there who run 28:30 come on.. thats bs. we all know goucher can smoke his b standard he's putting up here. he'll definitely be 27:45, thats a pr for goucher, and it will maybe take him to the olympics, but he's going to give it everything.. i'm willing to bet this is one of his last years of competing.
Alright this is really long, but...This whole 10k fiasco really is a shame. Goucher is a great guy, great runner, but I have looked far and wide and could not find him getting a 10k qualifier within the time frame the IOC put out there (or maybe USATF). Whatever the case, he did not run the time in the alotted time frame. And that is that. I know that a couple years back, I think 2006, Jorge Torres ran in the USATF 10k without a prior 10k ever and he ended up winning the whole thing. So something similar came into play back then, maybe a 5k time. But with this being the Olympic Trials, there is obviously more at stake in this situation. While the inclusion of Goucher will not knock anyone out, it does send a bad message to those who worked their butt off and maybe just missed the qualifying time and paid their way to come to Eugene to see if they might get in after people scratch. Those people should get in before someone like Goucher. They actually ran a 10k in the time frame set forth by the powers that be and ran it quicker than Goucher did. I don't blame Goucher, he is just a runner in this situation, it's the administration that is to blame here. The fact that USATF does not follow their own guidelines is the main point here, they ignored their own rules for qualification and field size in the event. I know people got mad at what Rupp and Rohatinsky did in the 5k, and not declaring that they weren't running until just before the event and that kept other people from advancing to the final. I see the point in people being mad there, but there was nothing that was violated rule-wise as far as USATF procedures go and general fairness of the event. The guys in the 5k could have run faster themselves so that they would not find themselves in such a predicament, but in the 10k case, you have people who did everything they were supposed to and are being passed over according to the official rules.
Harry, are you saying it's bs that the lawsuit was filed, or bs that Goucher's in the 10k while 7 who rank above him are not. To me it is bs that Goucher is in the 10k at all. He had the chance to run the standard in the 5, and he didn't. He could have gone with Vaughn...no one else did. They could have pulled each other along and run the wheels off the kickers (except perhaps Lagat). Goucher didn't go, and he let Vaughn be the sacrificial lamb (when will Vaughn learn that he cannot carry a race alone?). Goucher blew his olympic chances, and frankly - even though I love that he has been able to come back and i love his 'grittiness' if you will - I hope he does not make the olympic team. Then maybe next year he'll take the US champs more seriously when it's time to qualify for Worlds.
And now we have a lawsuit being filed against USATF over a couple things, and the 10,000 is at the center of it all. The story is on the front page of the Runner's Wold website.
Good idea on the 5K to use it as a good workout for the 10K on Friday. Good luck Adam. Be tough, be fierce (as you want people to remember you), and be in the top 3 (with the Olympic A standard).
I am calling Abdi, Moran (do NOT sleep on him) and I will say Carney, I gotta pull for him. He'll either be amazing in the last 2k or out of it completely. But I am banking on the former, just have a feeling about him. Goucher is great and I like the guy alot, but I don't know which Goucher will show up for the race. If the good Goucher shows up, I could see second as a major possibility. And as for Rupp, he really has not looked too great this year, he has a ton of talent and great coaching, but the Trials have never been this stacked. Remember how Brian Sell beat alot of Galen Rupps at the marathon trials back in November. So yeah, Abdi and I think Moran and Carney will shine, both of them have been really overlooked.
In response to "Huh?" the USATF has established that the minimum field for the 10,000 is 24. After that, they can choose however many they want, for the sake of good competition, and whoever they want--that is, they do not have to choose Jeremy Johnson, or Forest Braden, or Michael Eaton (30-32) prior to choosing Goucher. Is that unfair? Maybe. But from the USATF's point of view, it's important to keep in mind what Goucher has meant to long distance running and also his chance of making the team (which means running under 27:50), which is why he will get into the field.
4:20 first mile for the field. (4:18 for vaughn). The field went 4:33 for the next mile. You can't lead from 50m and expect to close well. You need people to compete with. Goucher would have just pulled everyone along if he would have been like "f*ck" this 4:33, and ran another 4:20 coming through in 8:40, yeah he would have closed hard, but many people would have went around him in the last 1200m. it was a really sticky situation. goucher= awesome.
goucher deserved the olympics more than anyone out there.. did you see how comfortable he was? he could have easily finished at 13:24.. its not his fault he had a freak trip and busted his ankle. give the guy a break. he's honestly been through more than any other runner out there. he's the model for american distance running.
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I forget who owns the AR 2 mile..and what is Teg's 5k PR? You are speaking about a topic in which you have no real knowledge on.
And what is this chatter about 52 anything? Stop typing home boy
1) Two of Salazar's other runners used the prelim as a workout and in doing so cost people a spot in the final. That's what I call a move.
2) Who in their right mind would run the first lap in 52 or sprint the first 600 in a 5,000 meter race? I do have some clue about how the body works and how races are run.
3) Prefontaine was upset by unethical practices in athletics, hence my snide remark.
He needed the A standard to get to Bejing. The 5k was the only race he was legitimately qualified for. Therefore, if he wanted to legitimately earn his ticket to Bejing he should have put it all on the line. He didn't.
Now, despite being unable to fulfill the longstanding entry requisites, he is being admitted to a prestigious race - for which others were more qualified. You can reference [his racing] history all you want, but those are the facts. Letting him run but not the others is hypocrisy, homey.
Hence my disgust.
Everyone has known 2008 was an Olympic year. Everyone has known for sometime the trials were going be held this week in Eugene. Qualification standards have been similarly publicized. His inability to complete the known procedures during an Olympic year should not be taken lightly.
I'm pretty sick of Adam Goucher. Yeah, I know he's had some rough years - but his arrogant attitude has been more relentless than his tenacity on the track. You'd think he would have learned some humility and respect for his fellow competitors. I wonder if he'll drop out of the 10k with 2 laps to go.
http://www.usatf.org/news/view.aspx?DUID=USATF_2008_07_03_11_59_01
http://tracktrials.runnersworld.com/2008/07/its-a-slow-day.html
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